There's Something Shady About This Cryogenic Company- Alcor

0:00 And today I wanted to talk about a topic that I've touched on in the past, but yeah, there's a lot of people that have reached out to me today because apparently both Candice and Baron have touched on a topic that since I'm the only person most people have ever heard even talk about it, people think that I'm some sort of expert on it. And that's ALOR, the Cryionics Company. We've talked about it a little bit, but we're going to go a little bit more in depth today because a lot of people are wondering. A lot of people are asking about it. Other content creators are reaching out to me about this. So, I figure why not do a little look at Alor. Alor is this interesting company in

0:46 Arizona that is inextricably tied to transhumanisms, particularly the extropian cults. the group that has branched out into all these different tech areas, things like Bitcoin and Amazon and Google and all the transhumanists and the nanotechnology people and and all that stuff. And the guy who started that, who ran that, Max Moore, a very central figure in the TESCREAL bundle. And he [snorts] ran for a very long time and still kind

1:31 of already does. Even though somebody else is running, he's still just because somebody's running it doesn't mean they're running it. But at least since 1988, Al Core Labs has been in one way or another shaped by this man Max Moore. And there are some dirty connections. There's a lot of overlap. There's a lot of weirdness going on here. And I want to talk about it because I think, well, I think it's important. I think that it's important because people are now talking about this. People talking about this now the biggest podcasters in the world are dancing around this. So I figure why not

2:18 talk about this now? Because I think it's important now. I think it's important later. And I think this should be on record. This will go out on YouTube and we're gonna talk about it just to kind of get you guys caught up on what Alor is all about. It really is about cryionics. So, think you know if you ever heard like you know the schoolhouse rumor when you were a kid that Walt Disney had his head frozen. That's what we're talking about. But let me get you caught up a little bit. We'll watch this quick video and go over exactly what cryionics is because I think we want to know a little bit more about cryionics so that we can be better informed.

3:07 On January 12th, 1967, James Bedford passed away, but he had a plan to cheat death. Bedford was the first person to be cryogenically frozen. This process promised to preserve his body until a theoretical future when humanity could cure any illness. Oh, don't worry, Trevor. We're going to talk about that. We are going to talk about Jeffrey Epstein's head and penis. We're going to talk about it. Don't you worry. And essentially reverse death. This is the dream of cryionics. But here's the catch. To revive people in the future, we need to properly preserve them in the present. So, is it currently possible to freeze a human, preserve

3:52 them indefinitely, and then safely thaw them out? To understand the hurdles of human cryopreservation, we need to leave the theoretical realm of cryionics and turn to the scientific field of cryobiology. This discipline studies the effects of low temperatures on various living systems. And it is true that decreasing an organism's temperature also decreases its cellular function. For example, at temperatures below 130° C, human cellular activity grinds to a halt. So if you could bring an entire human body below that temperature, theoretically you could preserve it indefinitely. The hard part is doing this without damaging the body. For example, let's try to

4:39 freeze a single red blood cell. It typically sits at a temperature of 37° C in a solution of water and substances known as chemical solutes which dissolve under certain conditions. But once the temperature drops below freezing, water outside and inside the cell hardens into damaging ice crystals. Without the correct concentration of water, the chemical solutes are unable to dissolve. And as the water freezes, they become increasingly concentrated in a destructive process known as osmotic shock. Without any intervention, these factors are guaranteed to destroy our red blood cell before it reaches 130°. Not all cells are this fragile, and many

5:26 animals have evolved to survive extreme conditions. Some cold tolerant fish synthesize antifreeze proteins to prevent ice formation at sub-zero temperatures and freeze tolerant frogs use protective agents to survive when up to 70% of their body water is trapped as ice. It's unlikely that any one creature holds the secret to human crier preservation. But by researching these adaptations, scientists have developed remarkable preservation technologies, some of which are already employed in medicine. However, researchers are still trying to improve cryopreservation technology to better manage the ice problem. Many cryobiologists are trying to solve this issue with an approach

6:12 called vitrification. This technique uses chemicals known as cryoprotectant agents to prevent ice from forming. Some of these have been adapted from compounds in nature while others have been designed to take advantage of cryobiy's guiding principles. But in practice, these chemicals allow researchers to store living systems in a glassy state with reduced molecular activity and no damaging ice. Vitrification is ideal for cryionics and would help preserve organs and other tissues for medical procedures, but it's incredibly difficult to achieve. CPAs can be toxic in the high quantities required for large scale vitrification. And even with these chemicals, preventing ice form

6:57 requires rapid cooling that lowers temperatures uniformly throughout the material. That's relatively easy when vitrifying single cells or small pieces of tissue. But as the material becomes more complex and contains larger quantities of water, staying ahead of ice formation gets challenging. And even if we could successfully vitrify complex living material, we'd only be halfway to using it. Vitrified tissue also needs to be uniformly warmed to prevent the formation of ice or worse, cracks. To date, researchers have been able to vitrify and partially recover small structures like blood vessels, heart valves, and corneas. So, this is important to know that [clears throat] we actually know have no evidence that

7:43 we can actually properly thaw out these people. We actually have no evidence that we can actually preserve consciousness through the freezing process. There's there's no evidence that this is actually real, that this is actually something that'll work. I even said this could be the greatest grift ever. Hey, you're going to pay me and my service comes in after you die and we're going to bring you out back long after anybody who would be like an executive of your estate or anything like that. They're going to die by the time we prove that we could make it work or you're really just gone, gone, gone. So, I don't know.

8:28 I think I think I think we're just not there yet. And this place, Alor, the longest running facility of its kind. It's been around since 197. Let's see. I have a timeline here. 1972. It's when it was founded. actually found it here in California, but they're in Arizona. Marine's blood said it can't work. Maybe it can't. Maybe it can. I don't know. So, let's talk a little bit about Alor, okay? Because there's a lot of history and we're not going to go over everything. So, let's talk a little bit about the history. I'm going to read it. You're not going to see what I'm reading off on the

9:13 screen here, but we're going to talk about it. Okay. The Alor Life Extension Foundation, a nonprofit in Scottsdale, Arizona, is the world's oldest continuously operating and largest cryionics organization preserving legally dead humans in liquid nitrogen at 196° C. on the bet that Future Medicine can revive them as as of the live ALOR site in 2026, it reports 1,535 members, right? So, as people who have signed up and they currently are preserving 263 individuals and some of these people you for sure know and we will get into that.

9:58 We will for sure get into that. Okay. Now, I cannot stress this enough. Alor [snorts] is very much so a very key place and operation within the oldest of the modern transhumanist, you know, group, people, entities, whatever. Okay. Cryionics was really kind of like the first transhumanist sort of thing. And so the older transhumanists are very into cryionics. And Alor is kind of like the gold standard of cryogenics

10:45 today. Okay. And that's [clears throat] largely through Max Moore, who we've talked about quite a bit here in the past, but just so you guys know, he started the Extropians. And the Extropians is where the modern version of transhumanism comes in. Uh the Extropians is where a lot of the Bitcoin guys uh sort of congregated well before Bitcoin. It's where a lot of the AI people had come together before AI. This is where the fringe scientists of today who are into things like nanotechnology and I mean gez there's so many other

11:30 different sorts of technologies that don't exist. And it was a small group of people about 300 people. But a lot of these people went on to start a lot of this a lot of these companies, you know. So, so yeah, there's real connections there. And of course, Bitcoin. And I think that there's evidence um and we've talked about this before, there's evidence that Jeffrey Epstein was in one way or another ingrained into that group. Some say Satoshi was a member. We know for sure that Hal Finny was Hal Finny who I believe if Satoshi was one person and not the CIA or Mosad or both

12:15 the one person if it was one person it was Hal Finny. I've always thought that. Now, there are some Israel connections and they're kind of thin to be honest, but there's one one thing that I want to flag, right? And that is Alor CEO, current CEO, and I believe Max Moore as well, spoke at Israel's first Cryionics conference in Tel Aviv in April of 2025. April of 2025. And if you're into the kind of new theory that Charlie Kirk is frozen at Alor and if you're of the mind that our greatest allies had something to do with that or his death in general, why did

13:00 Israel all of a sudden? But while they're out there just eradicating an entire group of people, they felt that they needed to have a conference about cryionics a mere 5 months before Charlie died. There is a tiny largely dormant Cryionx Israel advocacy group and Jewish religious law is broadly hostile to the practice. But that's the beautiful thing about Israel and Zionism is that they're not bound by the silly things like their religion and religious texts. They just get all of the benefits of being tied to religion without being bound to any of

13:45 the morality that their supposed religion espouses. Now to go back into the Bitcoin thing, I just wanted to touch base on this. First person to run Bitcoin and the and the receipt of the first ever Bitcoin transaction is Outcore patient number 128, Ralph uh which is which is Hal Finny Ralph Merkel whose Merkel trees underpin every blockchain. So this is a person Ralph Merkel who created the code necessary for all cryptocurrencies to work. All right. He sat on Alor's board since 1998. Alor conveniently accepts Bitcoin

14:30 and they reportedly received a $5 million crypto gift that created a research fund named for Hal Finny. So there are connections there. So now basically there are a handful of services that Alor offers but the two main ones are whole body or fullbody preservation and what they call neuropreservation which is your mind. Now, Max Moore himself in a very recent interview had actually stated that he is only doing the neuropreservation because he believes that he's going to live long enough that his body will be frail and not really worth saving

15:19 and his mind would need to be uploaded into something else that is uh more nimble. Let's say because some of these people believe in mind uploads. Uh your Peter Teals. Peter Thiel is a very prominent person when it comes to that. Okay. And believe it or not, it's only $80,000 to preserve the head or $200,000 to do the whole body. And you can even use your life insurance to buy it. Isn't that interesting? Isn't that fun? Okay. The vast majority of members fund cryopreservation with life insurance policy naming Alor as owner and beneficiary. That sounds like a

16:05 scam. That sounds like a scam. So, let's call it 200 200,000 220,000 to do a whole body. Most life insurance plans are like a million to start. So, why why would they why would they become the beneficiary of their life insurance? That's really weird. spreading a six-figure cost across cost across small monthly premiums and making cryionics accessible to ordinary incomes, not just the wealthy. A large portion of each member's funding is routed into the patient care trust, a legally separate fund that is invested conservatively so that only its earnings, never principal, pay for the indefinite upkeep of patients already in storage. As of

16:52 December 31st, 2023, the Associate Care Trust Investment Account held roughly 17.4 million. Gotta say that's actually really smart because how do you get years of being I mean it's a deep deep cold. It's not cheap to run that. It's not cheap. And let's look at what 2025 was like for Alor. Hello current and future ALOR members. It's that time of the year again when we get to look back at the progress we've made as an organization because if you're Pity says but Kevin if it's life insurance wouldn't that be fraud if a person doesn't die. I agree. I think it's really really

17:39 weird. And the more I look into it, the more you see municipalities um kind of getting into lock step with them and sort of, you know, fudging the definitions of things so that they can operate. continued support and generosity through your donations, we've been able to grow, refine, and modernize Alpor's processes and operations more than ever. So, let's take a look back at what we've done this year, [music and bell] [bell] guys. We're just a normal company.

18:24 In leadership, James would officially step We're a normal company that can't afford a $90 microphone for their YouTube video. Like they got 17 mil in the bank. They can't afford a $20 microphone. $100 microphone. Into his role as Alor CEO and president. Under his direction, we've seen a new wave of hires, new programs, and operational improvement. Doesn't that dude with the hair look a little, you know, greatest? He's looking a little greatest ally if you ask me. Just saying.

19:10 Let's go underway. In September, Alor launched a brand new website followed by a member portal where you can now notify Alor of any health. By the way, I could make a better website than this in an afternoon or upcoming procedures. You also have full control over your personal data and you can update or manage your financial information directly through the portal. Lastly, you may have already seen new names on Outboard emails and correspondents. This year, we welcome three new team members to the admin side. Jared, Cameron, and even me, Amaya. HMS is here to help improve membership communication and experience. But no fret, our membership department is still being led by our director, Miss Diane Crees. Now, let's talk about one of the most

19:56 exciting. She looks like a greatest ally transhumanist. Areas of out, our research and development team. This year, we hired two new lead researchers. Dr. Dr. Nick Lwellin with a PhD in molecular and cellular biology and Wra Cho who has a master's in biological brain engineering. With their expertise, the research and development team has begun into a new era. We've now built out a state-of-the-art crowbiology lab now equipped with a new fluorescent microscope, customuilt profusion machines, cell and tissue incubators, and a range of pool tools designed specifically for drug preservation research. So, what research is underway because of your donations? A lot, but here's a few I can give you. Currently, we're conducting research on mouse brain

20:41 tissue slices where we can examine the long-term viability after vitrification. Next, we're partnering with neurosurgeons to further advance and examine whole brain preservation. Lastly, we've installed a new CT scanner which allows us to perform non-destructive imaging to better understand the conditions of patients before and after preservation. Let's move on to engineering where we built out an entire suite just for our engineers, making it the most productive year. Therefore, we've been able to integrate new software and control systems into our profusion equipment. That better be a fake body, dog. That better be a fake body. We've built a 3D printing lab to enable rapid prototyping of biomedical devices and custom hardware. And we've even

21:26 automated in field control. If I saw that, [clears throat] if I was taking this seriously and was like, I'm gonna get frozen, honey. I'm going TO GET FROZEN. WATCH this video with me. Look at Look at Look at the operation they got. And I saw this. Refund refund. fund [snorts] all systems, sensors and data collection processes. We also brought on Muhammad Rashnwala who holds a masters in mechanical engineering. Last but not

22:12 least is an update on our deployment and recovery team known as DART. This here is dart is very important if you're going to follow the Charlie Kirk Alor conspiracy theory that some people are saying might be a little credible. Well, Dart would have been there. They would have been in attendance, you know. is the new dart bay where a team can sharpen their readiness, improve their surgical practices, and make stabilization and transport more reliable just for you. [bell]

23:01 Wow, what a difference a year makes. All thanks to your donations making it possible. Thank you for trusting out with your afterlife care. Take care of yourselves and take care of each other. That's what they've been up to. Now, this came out 3 weeks ago, and this is Max Moore, and this is actually a whole hour, and I already watched it, but I just wanted to show you this this little clippy little clipper. Welcome to the ALOR Life Extension Foundation here in Scottsdale, Arizona in the United States. Alor is almost 50 years uh in operation, uh the longest lived cry organization, and what we do here is essentially give people another chance at life. uh today when people are declared clinically dead and legally dead, it's kind of an arbitrary line that basically means that

23:47 today's medicine can't help them any further. Our idea is that today we can bring people back to life from conditions that we couldn't have done say 50 years ago and in the future we'll be able to repair problems that today we can't repair. So the idea of cryionics essentially is at the point of legal death which is not the same as biological death. Let's preserve the person, keep them from deteriorating as perfectly as possible, and then take them into the future one day at a time until we have more advanced technology that can fix their heart disease, their cancer, and the aging process itself, and allow them to continue on living again. It just these guys just make it sound so like it's like, you know, this is what we're doing. It makes sense, isn't it? Great.

24:32 This is alcohol's operating room. Although before we get to that stage, I want to explain what we do here. Kronix really has three main parts. We have what we call uh standby stabilization and transport which we're going to illustrate here. Then we have the cryoprotective profusion which happens in the operating room and then we have long-term storage which we'll get to. We can't begin the next process uh the surgical procedure until the patient's cooled down to no more than about 20° C. uh we're going to remove as much blood and intracellular fluid as we can from the patient and replace it with a cryoprotectant solution. Now cryoprotectant you can think of simply as a medical grade antifreeze. But about half our members, myself included, have chosen just to preserve the brain. And you might think, well that's why would you just preserve the brain? Don't you need a body? Well, you do, but you don't need it today because my view is that by

25:19 the time I need this, unless I get killed early on, my body is going to be in pretty bad shape in a few decades. So the whole thing is going to have to be regenerated anyway. The one thing you not going to lie, this dude is in incredible shape for like being almost 70. You can't replace up here. That's, you know, your brain. We may start over here, but then we're going to do a a separation a few vertebrae down. You want to get the top of the spinal cord in there. Uh we're going to take the sephylon, which is what we call the brain plus the skull. We're going to put that upside down in the neuro ring here. Secure it in this ring. And then instead of going in through the blood vessels in the heart, we're instead going to use the corroted blood vessels here. Otherwise, it's the same procedure. It's going to circulate through the system over here. Again, replacing the blood in the brain and the other fluids with our cryoprotectant solution.

26:18 Here in our course patient care bay, we have all 185 human patients and around 88 pets. Let's go take a look. Pets. Not going to front. Not going to front. I would freeze B. Like they've been talking about this like life extension pill that could be coming out in the next like year or so. If there was no chance that it would kill my dog, but it could extend her life, I don't know. I might do it. I might do it. I love that dog so much.

27:04 I just just saying. Now, these vessels that you see are what contain our patients. These are called doers. D EW. They're cryogenic doers. Um, these are very much like thermos flask. If you've ever used a thermos flask to keep your coffee hot or a drink cold, you know how these work. They have a vacuum layer on the inside. So, here I can put my hand on it. It's just kind of chilly metal. But inside it's extremely cold. It's - 320 Fahrenheit or - 196° C. So very very cold. This is a model of contain four whole body patients. So there's one patient in each of these pods. That's just for mechanical

27:49 protection. So if there's any reason why they get banged around, they're protected. And we use these hooks to we have a winch in the roof there. We just lift it up and put them down in here. So they'll be with three other people. So we have four whole body patients. Plus we can get actually in the center column several neuro patients or we may have pets up in the top column. So four whole body patients and five neuropatients or we can convert one of these containers to actually store 10 neuropatients by putting in shelves here. So you could potentially get 45 neuropatients in one of these. So this is what we've used for a long time but now we have a new model which is this one the superduer. So now we can get about 11 whole body patients inside the same floor space. So you know it's between a half and a third of the cost

28:34 for the good gym for rental space and so on. So, that's really helped to keep down on long-term costs, especially if you're a whole body member. You have quite a bit of the money that you pay for that out of the $200,000 minimum. We put $115,000 aside for long-term storage. So, after we've done all the procedures, all the transport, the protection, the surgery, after all that, we have more than half of the money left put in a special protected trust fund that can't be used for any other purpose. And that maintains people in these for as long as it takes. And uh you as you mentioned the person we had the longest was cryosit in 1967 and we still have him. So we haven't lost the patient yet.

29:19 So now you get a little glimpse of what it actually looks like at Alor. I'm just wondering, do you think Jeffrey Epstein and Charlie Kirk are in the same doer together? Kind of like how Sam Bankman Freed and Diddy were in the same prison cell together. Tell me in the chat if you think I'm on to something or if I'm just smoking more tinfoil. getting an itchy nose, guys.

30:05 One thing that many people fear about the future is it's going to be some horrible place because that's what we we read about, we see in science fiction movies. And that's something I have to combat constantly because I like to argue uh things are actually getting better despite what the news tells you. The news will look throughout the world for the worst things going on everywhere and push them right in your face and people think, "Oh, things are going really going downhill." But they're not. So, at Alco, we spend a lot of time thinking about what could go wrong and how can we prevent that being a problem. And to us, it's a very personal question because this isn't just an organization that sells a service. You know, we're a nonprofit tax exempt organization. The founders created this for themselves. They didn't want to be buried or cremated. Those are not very appealing. You know, what's your body? They don't care about making money.

30:50 They care about pushing transhumanism. And their tactic is to not talk about it. They just want to sell you on all of the little mechanics along the way gives out. You want to be burnt to crisp. You want to be eaten by worms and bacteria. No thank you. None of those are very appealing. Why not be cryerved? At least have the chance of coming back in the future and continuing your life. Why not? I will say of all of all of the transhumanist figures, I think Max Moore is the most likable at the very least. I also think that he

31:36 isn't so on the other end. Like, he doesn't I've never seen him really talk about merging with AI and all that kind of stuff. I think he's a little bit more old school. It makes me like him a lot more. To me, it makes him less of a psychopath, but that's, you know, now there were some controversies. There have been controversies with Alor over the years, and there's three kind of main ones, and we'll kind of gloss over them. There's Dora Kent in 198788. Okay. Alor's near-death experience. Dora Kent, 83, mother of cryionics activist Saul Kent was neuropreserved, meaning

32:21 the brain was preserved, okay, by Alor. The Riverside County, because this was still in Riverside before California before they went out to Arizona. The Riverside County coroner initially ruled her death natural, then revised it to homicide, alleging barbituates were administered before death. Alor said they were given after to protect the brain. Police handcuffed six Alor staff and a SWAT team raided the facility and seized equipment. But Dora's frozen head, its location kept secret, was never recovered. So is she not in one of those doers? And this was in the 80s. So she wasn't in the doers. So where was

33:07 she? Where were they freezing her head? Real question. No charges were ever filed. A court barred the autopsy of an Alor patient and Alor won an appellet ruling affirming its right to accept anatomical donations. It remains the greatest crisis in Alor's history. That raid made a lot of problems for them and was part of the reason why they left California for Arizona. The other is that Arizona literally came in and was just like, "Guys, just come here, do your thing. Just do your thing." Okay. Now, in 2002, there was Ted Williams. Yes. The great Ted Williams, the baseball player. Okay. This is what

33:54 made Alor famous. He was a Hall of Famer, died in 2002. His son John Henry had the body sent to Alor for neuropreservation. Again, that's the head. Over the fierce objection of daughter Bobby Joe Ferrell, who said her father had wanted cremation. The case exploded in 2009 when former Alcore COO Larry Johnson published Frozen, alleging Williams severed head cracked and struck with a monkey wrench to dislodge a frozen tuna can used as a pedestal. You can't make this up. Alor denied the allegations and critically Johnson later walked back the claim, admitting it was

34:39 not based on firsthand observation. The lawsuits again against him ended in 2012. John Henry Williams himself died in 2004 and was also cryopreserved at Alor and fun. Look at this. There's an interview. Cryionics is a controversial science involving freezing human remains. Its believers hope that one day those remains can be brought back to life. Now, a former employee of America's largest cryionic center is speaking up, claiming that he witnessed bizarre and unbelievable acts while he was working there. Arizona based Alor is the worldwide leader in cryionics. Its lab is said to

35:26 house corpses, including the remains of baseball great Ted Williams. William swings and there's a long frozen tusus 321° all at a cost of about $120,000 each. Larry Johnson, a former chief operating officer at Alor says in a new book that Williams corpse was mistakenly decapitated and gruesomely mistreated through internal documents, photos, and secretly recorded conversations obtained by Johnson. He also alleges the company participated in the premature deaths of two Alor clients who were close to dying. So what what what did he do? Did he just he killed her? Alor denies any wrongdoing and released a statement about the claims made in

36:11 Johnson's book. In part, it says Alor is a nonprofit organization, a pioneer in the field of cryionics and categorically denies the false allegations contained in Mr. Johnson's book. And Larry Johnson is with us this morning. His controversial new book is called Frozen. He's with us live in the studio this morning. What a great name. So, you had an interesting and eclectic career, including being a trained uh emergency medical technician. Why did you go to work at Cryion? Yeah, like you said, I'd been a paramedic for about 25 years. Uh very stressful business. I was on the on the edge of burnout. Shout out paramedics. Straight up. If you're a paramedic or you know somebody who's a paramedic, shout out to

36:56 you and your people because they do it they do a hard job. Uh I've always been interested in biological research and I saw this as an opportunity to to get into that field. That's how I came about Alcore. Okay. So you go to work at ALOR and typically what was their method for freezing these corpses? Typically what would happen is they would have a member uh who's a member of ALOR uh would uh would pass away, would die. Uh they would bring that individual to the facility and begin the cool down process. Uh depending on what option you would take depends on what they do to you. If you take the whole body option, they freeze your whole body. If you want just the head only option, they just freeze the head.

37:41 So it was quite common for them to decapitate these corpses. Yes, that's correct. Right. Now, did you go to work there before Ted Williams was brought there or after? It was afterwards. I went to work there about six months after Ted was brought into that facility. Right. And you say you alleged that you saw his corpse being mishandled? What did you say? I saw his head. What happens is they they had had his head in one looked like a freezer chest. It's called a cryostar. And there was it was malfunctioning. There was some issues. So, they wanted to move his head into another vessel to lower the temperature of his head down to - 321 Fahrenheit. So, they they head in that vessel. What you got to do is obviously the head's round. It's not going to sit upright. So, they got a tuna fish can. They put in the bottom of that vessel. They set the head on top of the can and then fill the vessel with liquid nitrogen. Well, obviously after 2

38:27 or 3 days of being in that state. When they pull you out, that can is stuck to the top of the head. Uh, in Williams' case, that's exactly what happened. They pulled him out. The tuna can was stuck to the top of his head. A technician grabbed a wrench, a monkey wrench, took a swing at the can, missed it. Yeah. Yeah. Missed the can. All right. Hit the head. Draw back again. A second swing. Hit the can. Send it flying across the room. Gruesome. Gruesome. I I've been a paramedic 25 years and I've seen some pretty horrible things. When you saw that stuff, did you go to the head of Alor? Did you go to the police department, for instance, and say there are there's crazy stuff going on. I did go to the police. I didn't go to the police. I did uncover um some some incidents where there was some Why would you go to the police?

39:14 I mean, listen, there's a part of there's a mechanism in me that's always just like, why would you go to the police? But like for something like that, the police are not equipped even remotely, they barely understand the laws that they enforce. You think that a police officer in Arizona is going to be able to determine what to do here. Like in that instance, you go to like the FBI, something like that, go to the police.

39:59 Questionable deaths. Um, you allege in the book there were people were prematurely passed. Absolutely. With the aid of Alore employees? Absolutely. I have knowledge of two. I have solid evidence of one in the form of tape recordings. I I wired myself to to get that on tape that they were actually euthanizing. So you went to the cops and what were the cops? I went to the cops. I went this actually occurred this particular death occurred in LA. So I went to LAPD homicide division. Turn the tapes over to uh the homicide detectives. They thought this is great. This is a smoking gun. We're going to deal with this. A few days pass. I call them. They said, you know, this is 11 years old. We don't have the resources to deal with this. We're worried about the homicides that happened last night. Alor condemns the gross insensitivity of news media rep in presenting Johnson's stories as newsworthy, desecrating the

40:46 memory of Ted Williams to the great upset of his family who were devastated in a New York courtroom on Monday when learning sales of Johnson's book would go forward. Alor says, "We're clean. You're full of baloney." And to which you say, uh, well, they're going to claim that because they've got an awful lot to hide and it's in the book, right? The other thing you say, you've you believe you you've been living in fear. Fear of what? Uh, fear of my life. They're they're fanatics. Uh, they've given me death threats. They've followed me from state to state, leaving notes on my vehicles, basically saying, you know, we're going to do away with you. You see, if this were all true, the thing that I find hard to believe, that if this were really true, wouldn't prosecutors be beating down their doors to to to to find some sort of malfeasants

41:31 if all of what you say is true? Uh, you know, uh, this interview is from 16 years ago. It's an old one. It's an old one. Uh the the the case though the the incident was back in 2002. So you know just a little little controversy a little controversy out there you know but how do you operate for over 50 years without a little controversy you know a little controversy. Where's Mitch? Mitch is on his way to Alor to go bunk up to go bunk up with old Jeffy Eppy and CK and Ted Williams. They're

42:17 all going to be in one of those things together, bro. Froz. So, you know, there are some names. There are some people who are there. Some you've heard of. Some you may have heard of what they, you know, what they've done, but you may, you know, may not have heard of them specifically. But there are people like Hal Finny, Bitcoin pioneer. There's also Ted Williams who we talked about, John Henry Williams, which was his son. FM 2030, who is an early transhumanist Extropian, who we talked about at length. Claire, Emmy winning TV writer. His case set a California legal precedent for the right

43:03 to be cryopreserved. Interesting. And many more. Many, many, many more. Okay. And then there's a whole list of a lot of people, many of which you do know, who are on the list to be frozen. Okay, Peter Thiel. But to be fair, Peter Thiel is on the list for like every transhumanist company. There's like so many other versions of like afterlife, you know, transhumanist afterlife companies, which we talked about in the transhumanist companies uh live stream. There's a YouTube video. Go check it out. We go over all of that stuff. Peter

43:48 Teal is kind of like, you know, he's in with all of them. So, who knows where he's going to end up when he dies, but uh but Alor is definitely one of them. Probably the earliest that he had signed up for. Okay. Kurszswe, who started the singularity movement, which is another one of the transhumanist uh cults, organizations, what have you. Steve Aayoki, the guy who the DJ who like throws pies in people's faces, he's one of them. confirmed Larry King. Yeah, Larry King. Timothy Liry, which he's got an interesting story. And Timothy Liry, if you don't know, a very key figure in the acid

44:34 movement of the 60s and 70s, counterculture icon, if you will. And if you're into like the Grateful Dead, you certainly know who uh Timothy Larry is. Now, he signed on in ' 88 and then he actually backed out before he died and got cremated, but he was uh he was he was on the list. Simon Cowell, that dude who's completely radically changed his entire appearance over the last 5 years, which is some transhumanist Uh Seth McFarland, you know, the guy who does Family Guy. Okay. And then there was rumors of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton, but those are just rumors. One kind of last little thing about this I would say is

45:22 Jeffrey Epstein. Let's talk about Jeffrey Epstein because Jeffrey Epstein was a very outspoken and known transhumanist. And if you spend any time looking into his emails from the DOJ Epstein files, then you know that he was obsessed obsessed with uh genes and DNA and cryionics. Uh he wanted to uh preserve his head and his penis. He had had stated aspirations for all future humans having his DNA. You know, really weird And

46:08 we know that. So, there's a big black hole in the 80s and 90s when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein. Look at the Epstein files. Look at all of the reporting on him. Most everything kind of starts in the early 2000s, 2002, 2005. But there was a whole, you know, nearly 20 years before that in which Jeffrey Epstein was involved in a lot of things. There's some there are some things that point to him being a part in some way or another with the Extropians which was Max Moore and FM 2030 and and a lot of those early people the Bitcoin pioneers

46:54 allegedly Satoshi uh Julian Assange it's a very small club it's a very small club a very small club of very scienceminded science It's fictionminded people who wanted to see human evolution through science. Right now, like I said before, there's been offshoots of that like singitarianism, which is like transhumanism with AI. There are all these different versions of it, but they all trace back to the Extropians. I think that there's a Jeffrey Epstein connection. I cannot prove, you know, it uh I floated out the theory and it's more it's more of a hunch than anything.

47:40 But knowing what we know about Jeffrey Epstein, knowing about these connections to uh these different Extropians, um these different people, all the things that he was doing with science, Zordo Ranch, all of that and his outspoken transhumanism, uh and interest in cryionics, particularly for himself, Jeffrey Epstein, if he were serious about cryionics, He would not go anywhere but Alor. Alor is the best in that industry. And I don't know if you know this about Jeffrey Epstein, he only does the best.

48:25 He only works with the best. He only influences the best. So it makes sense that if he were frozen, he would be at Alor. If Charlie Kirk were frozen, he would be an Alor. And again, we don't really talk about Charlie Kirk on this show, but because it does butt up to this, and now people are reaching out to me to talk more about Alor so that they can make sense of these theories. I think this is one of the few instances in which I'll talk about Charlie Kirk. I don't know. I like to make jokes that Epstein and Charlie Kirk are frozen next

49:11 to each other. Those are fun jokes. I like jokes. Didn't know if he knew that. Love that I don't know. I don't know. You don't know. Nobody knows. Yeah, Charlie Kirk fatigue is real. I got Charlie Kirk fatigue in like October. But yeah, in a world that makes no sense, everything's on the table. In a case that makes no sense, everything's on the table because none of this even makes sense. None of it makes sense. Absolutely none of it makes sense. It's all But listen, if we're going to talk about it and people are coming to me because I'm the only person in their orbit who they've even heard about ALOR from because I've been talking about the transhumanists. Well, now I'm somebody

49:58 who knows something about the topic. So, I figure why not do this live stream. And of course, I'm going to put this out as a YouTube clip probably in the morning just so that there's there's more information out there. But also check out the aicults.com where you can learn more about the transhumanist cults, the different people that are involved, these different companies and all the sort of stuff around this topic. I made a website so that you could learn about this topic. And I promise you this, you'll only ever you only ever hear me talk about Charlie Kirk whenever it may or may not intersect with the topics that I'm talking about. And that's not

50:44 even like you're not going to see me put like Charlie Kirk on the thumbnail or anything like that, right? That's not We're not here to talk about Charlie Kirk. We're here to talk about Alor because I think Alor is not completely on the up and up. I think that Alor is low-key involved in many things because freezing people is real. Freezing people until there is a time in which they can be unfrozen and then go about living again. That's also on the table. There's hundreds of people frozen right now. Not just at Alor, but like in a lot of these facilities. You become a martyr in this timeline and then you come back 50

51:30 years, 100 years from now when nobody knows your name and you go live your own life. I'm not saying that's what's happening. I'm saying it's on the table just as much as anything else. I think about Jeffrey Epstein and he needed to lay low for a while. He was an ardent transhumanist. He believed in this type of technology. If Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself, maybe he froze himself. In a world where we don't have answers and all of the theories are insane, let's throw another theory out there. This is just as plausible. I would even go as far as to say in some cases as if not more plausible.